Mark Duggan Killed lawfully

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Cbev

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At last a common sense decision.

Moral of the story don't get involved in crime and carry loaded firearms then you wont get shot simples
 
There seems to be a lack of reporting of actual evidence in the media coverage. Some people have suggested that the gun was planted.
Duggan met Kevin Hutchinson-Foster 15 mins before he was shot. 6 days prior to that Hutchinson-Foster had pistol whipped a man and left the premises with the gun wrapped in a sock. DNA of the victim of that attack was found on the gun. Hutchinson-Foster's fingerprints were also found on the gun. So the gun definitely came from Hutchinson-Foster at sometime during that 6 day period. That does somewhat limit the possibility of the police planting it.
 
Fcuking superb. The only thing that we may need to be aware of if you are in London is the possibility of street level unrest.
 
littlewoman said:
There seems to be a lack of reporting of actual evidence in the media coverage. Some people have suggested that the gun was planted.
Duggan met Kevin Hutchinson-Foster 15 mins before he was shot. 6 days prior to that Hutchinson-Foster had pistol whipped a man and left the premises with the gun wrapped in a sock. DNA of the victim of that attack was found on the gun. Hutchinson-Foster's fingerprints were also found on the gun. So the gun definitely came from Hutchinson-Foster at sometime during that 6 day period. That does somewhat limit the possibility of the police planting it.
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Quite. But never let the truth get in the way of a good riot. Anyone fancy a 70" Plasma?
 
Quite. But never let the truth get in the way of a good riot. Anyone fancy a 70" Plasma?...
and i want a bike!
 
The press and media should be pushing the facts as covered above, theres alot of evidence given in court that the public are not been made aware of
 
a known criminal with a loaded gun weather in his hand or not, justifies an armed response, no one saw Duggan throw his loaded weapon into grass area next to the hard stop...my question is why did they wait until then, why not 'take him' at the point when he picked up the weapon in a shoe box?
 
davidd said:
a known criminal with a loaded gun weather in his hand or not, justifies an armed response, no one saw Duggan throw his loaded weapon into grass area next to the hard stop...my question is why did they wait until then, why not 'take him' at the point when he picked up the weapon in a shoe box?
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Probably the same reason there is a very high level large quantity of drug seizures in Cumbria, all in a very sparsely populated area. They stop them on a stretch of the M6 with a long gap between junctions and nothing but moorland for them to run across. The drugs aren't going to Cumbria, just passing through. The police choose a spot to stop them that makes it hard to get away and hard to injure anyone around. The same would probably apply here, they might have also been concerned that the person he bought it from had more guns and probably wanted to get them both outside buildings.
 
Wasn't the round that impacted on the coppers PR an ND from one of the other coppers there?
Look the guy was a shitbag BUT the filth cannot just whack somebody for being a dick- or can they?
The court case was ref: was his killing justified or not?
No it was not. The copper that pulled the trigger should be up on a murder charge as the law is the law unless you work for the law then it's flexible.
This is yet another fix-up and the reason that the gap between the filth and the public is growing everyday.
 
davidd said:
my question is why did they wait until then, why not 'take him' at the point when he picked up the weapon in a shoe box?
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The guy who supplied the gun was a known supplier nad could be taken at any time via a planned operation.

The piece below is from the Independent........



A police briefing note the day before the Mr Duggan's fatal shooting revealed the likelihood of the handover of the gun between the two men. Hutchinson-Foster has since been jailed for supplying the gun

Police however said that the first time they received intelligence about where the gun was being held was an hour before the shooting. They believed it was to be taken to the Broadwater Farm Estate for short-term storage before an attack on a gangland rival.

The senior officer told the inquiry that they wanted the handover to take place before they stopped the car. They ruled out moving in at that location because the narrow streets had homes and schools nearby. The inquest jury broadly agreed, finding that the police had chosen a place to stop the taxi which "minimised to the greatest extent possible recourse to lethal force".
 
Initial police reports didnt state that he was armed.

No gun was initially found at the scene of the incident

Police later claimed Duggan had shot at them, as an officer had actually been shot, and the bullet had hit his police radio. However forensics later showed this to have been a bullet fired by another armed copper.

Witnesses later claimed that police officers were seen planting the gun.

A defence witness who claims to have sold the gun to Duggan only did so as part of a plea bargain to have his own sentence reduced.

The gun that was claimed to have been owned by Duggan had no forensic evidence linking hm to the weapon, no DNA, no fingerprints etc etc.

This verdict stinks of a cover-up and a legal whitewash but what do we really expect from the police when they can knock over and murder an innocent passer-by during a demo and then find the copper not guilty and where the public are fitted up on trumped up charges or where they've more interest in taking money off us than protecting us?

This is indeed another nail in the coffin of police/public relations and another example of the massive chasm between us and them.

Be very afraid of these monkeys as things will only get worse and YOU could be next and they'll get away with it again...
 
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Mark Duggan.
Drug Dealer. Thug. Destroyer of life and society.
an Outlaw, living outside societies laws, expecting those same laws to protect him.
shot, murdered, executed.
dealt with his like and their family/friends on a daily basis.
death is an occupational hazard,
the streets are a safer place with him gone.
If a message has been sent to his lawless brederen, baby mudders and posse, then so much the better.
Duggan was failed by his family and his community, His blood is on their hands.
teach your children to be valuable members of society, not bringers of doom, death and destruction.

to my mind JUSTIFIED.
 
Yes gareth the law is the law and you obviously don't know it. The use of force you can use is based on a reasonably held belief of the threat to you. The police officer believed Duggan had the gun and was about to shoot. He acted lawfully, a jury that has just sat through 4 months of evidence have decided that. you seem to think you know better based on reports in the press.

As for where the gun at the scene had come from, you conveniently failed to mention that it did have the fingerprints on the person convicted of supplying it and the DNA of his victim. Also, you might like to explain what was in the shoe box he brought away from his meeting with Kevin Hutchinson-Foster and was then found empty in the car. Did he get a taxi to meet someone to get an empty shoe box?

The witnesses, were they actually anywhere close enough to see anything? One of them was 9 floors up in a block of flats. Are they from the same mould as his family that are trying to paint him as innocent despite the fact that he had just been carrying a gun.
 
OK when the filth whack you and using the law they state that they thought you were a threat as you were carrying what turned out to be a table-leg and not a weapon I won't mind.
Did you read what you just typed?
This is not the way the police should act as they have lots of non-lethal ways to put you down.
Yes the bloke was a repeat offender and a shitbag but the police should have handled it as they're supposed to and that doesn't mean putting a cover in place and killing yet another member of the public.
I have no idea how to answer your questions but I do know the initial round came from another "highly trained" member of the police and not from Duggan.
 
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I never really understood the mentality of the rioting this lawful shooting sparked off. We all know it is just a pathetic excuse for criminals to hit the streets. If I actually knew someone who was shot dead by the Police, why would I turn out on the streets and loot / destroy a shop such as Footlocker or a large family owned furniture store which has stood for the best part of 100 years at the heart of a community.

The true criminality lies with our media who seek to justify such acts by playing out the well worn rubbish of the disaffected young people who reside within the inner cities, blah, blah.

Stay safe guys in these uncertain times..................Nippy
 
gareth said:
OK when the filth whack you and using the law they state that they thought you were a threat as you were carrying what turned out to be a table-leg and not a weapon I won't mind.
Did you read what you just typed?
This is not the way the police should act as they have lots of non-lethal ways to put you down.
Yes the bloke was a repeat offender and a shitbag but the police should have handled it as they're supposed to and that doesn't mean putting a cover in place and killing yet another member of the public.
I have no idea how to answer your questions but I do know the initial round came from another "highly trained" member of the police and not from Duggan.
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Well if faced with armed officers I'm not going to do anything which leads them to believe I am a threat. I have lived in a jurisdiction where officers are routinely armed and where they routinely stopped people at road blocks or for stop and search, so I have been in that situation. I've even been in the situation of trying to get home with full blown riots going on and armed police everywhere and having to approach police lines and negotiate my way through. The number of times the police have mistakenly shot someone by mistake is very few, and I am willing to accept that rather than put the police in a position where they are likely to be killed every time they have to deal with armed criminals. There are far more innocent people being killed by the criminals.

As for your suggestion that they have non-lethal options. What do you suggest. Neither a tazer or CS is going to stop someone from shooting a gun once they have it in their hands.
 
Too much Hollywood being imagined.
and not enough reality being applied.
A life or death situation is just that.
instant decisions based on threat and intel to hand.
Drug dealer.
Gang member.
Out Law.
Drugs.
Gun.
unwilling to follow stop order.
running.
danger to public.
shot
dead
good riddance.

if you are 'stopped' by armed police, stop, assess, obey, explain.
99% chance of staying alive.
that probably goes for a criminal with a gun as well.
 
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