I do not have a quote, I am going by what I heard on TV yesterday on Sky news and BBC News (not at the same time, Im not del-boy)
Private Security working as Police?!
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I do not have a quote, I am going by what I heard on TV yesterday on Sky news and BBC News (not at the same time, Im not del-boy)
To be fair to Pyrene the link i posted in post#1 from the Guardian would suggest frontline officers` duties could be handed over to the private company-
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"The breathtaking list of policing activities up for grabs includes investigating crimes, detaining suspects, developing cases, RESPONDING TO and investigating incidents, supporting victims and witnesses, managing high-risk individuals, PATROLLING NEIGHBOURHOODS..."
A bit different from the Chief Constable of Surrey saying "Any suggestion that a private sector company will patrol the streets of Surrey is simply nonsense."
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"The breathtaking list of policing activities up for grabs includes investigating crimes, detaining suspects, developing cases, RESPONDING TO and investigating incidents, supporting victims and witnesses, managing high-risk individuals, PATROLLING NEIGHBOURHOODS..."
A bit different from the Chief Constable of Surrey saying "Any suggestion that a private sector company will patrol the streets of Surrey is simply nonsense."
all tabloids seem to be saying different thing. But rhea, there we go responding to incidents and patrolling the neighbourhoods, to me that seems like frontline on the street officers... which is where my displeasure is coming from
It`s not just `media hype` either Pyrene , it`s taken from the actual contract note sent to potential bidders that the Guardian got hold of. Judging by the negative public comments on media networks i would say Surrey Police are trying to play down the role that the Security companies will undertake.
Nomad
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There is something far worse that ill informed hysteria and that is apathy and something which has attributed to the state of the nation for over a decade. At least from this "hysteria", which I see more as people being passionate for maintaining the quality of our police force, will come a consensus of what should be done to improve things.
To ignore and let go could end up with a situation that causes an irreversibility of decline in standards.
Given the choice I would chose the former over the latter.
Also it would degrade the quality of potential dating material from uniformdating.com who's advert has popped up in this post
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professorP
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wow, this thread has grown massive legs in 2 days. Has no one seen these guys yet. they were advertised on the news as to be bidding for the contract also. they currently run security patrols in the darlington area. check out there you tube vid is actually quick funny but also frightening that they are being allowed to do it , being paid privately by the residents to police an area. this is what it is all leading to in the end.
Hopefully not with the berets of course
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Hopefully not with the berets of course
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Customloads
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Also it would degrade the quality of potential dating material from uniformdating.com who's advert has popped up in this post
Phew, thought it was just me.
I too would love to go back to the good old days and boy some of them were even better than good but the times have changed and I for one don't see a way back.
In my day we responded to every burglar alarm whether it was bells only or from an alarm company whether it was residential or commercial. That hasn't happened for a long long time. Something had to take its place and companies like "Sabre", who I only use because he started the thread, did just that. Mobile patrols, Foot patrols, Residential security, Alarm response, Football matches are all stuff the Police used to take care of. Does anyone see anything wrong with those services being done by Private companies? I don't.
As for the street patrols video, apart from the cammed up faces with the high viz, what was wrong with it? The people of that area perceived a problem existed that they found the Police were too busy to deal with. A couple of guys with viz walk around the area and they feel better.
The Police will always be there, even if sometimes a little late, for frontline Policing. If that ever changed then even I would start to worry.
Good point,
With Marsec I think its because these companies know what they are doing, while ship owners don't really know about security.
However the Police know about policing so don't need to be helped or hire a company that knows about security.
Regards to MOD, I believe that hiring people is a short term fix. By this I mean that they don't have to train/pay to train the individual and the current MOD personal on the gates or whatever can go and do his real duties and get someone who doesn't need to be paid as much to stand on a gate.
Regarding that video that Prof P put it, right made me giggle with the whole cammo paint. But where do these guys draw the line? The charge for their policing ability, but what if someone hasn't paid and their house is getting done over or someone is getting a kicking on the street corner, do they ask for credit card details first?
By golly I think you may have finally got it. Now just change "MOD" for "Police" and think about what you have said before and what you have said above.
Yeah but its a short term fix. But the privatisation of the police force will (how i see it) remove the necessity of so many officers, there will be more SIA out there than bobbies. Which is wrong, the majority of the frontline work should stay with the police. You don't see backwater or whoever doing more work than the Army do you?
I have no problem with back office, custody, investigations etc being in the hands of private parties (except maybe investigations...) but when it was said (as quoted above) about responding to incidents and patrolling the streets, I am not happy.
The SIA do not train people to be police officers, they train people to call the police in the event of an emergency. Intense training and heavy vetting will be needed before I lift my stubborn head and say "okay"
Theguardian
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Some city's in California are contracting with security companies to patrol certain high come areas. Old news been happening for like 10 years now
Customloads
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On the news today that the UK Police would like Community Support staff to take over the role of beat constable, making the non Police "officer" the first point of contact for the public.
Richiegray
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It's either the Yeovil Ninja or G4S...
I do.
What happens when the intelligence bureau is run not by experienced cops but by private contractors? We've only recently had the problems of private security and police in the surveillance of ecological protest groups, and allegedly information being passed from one to the other. Not for the public good, allegedly.
(Any way, why should private companies have access to the sensitive data police gather on the public, whilst I have not consented to them having such access-bit like all your medical notes being given to a private company and you having no say in the matter)
Back office staff manage high-risk categories like sex offenders, domestic violence threats, mental health threats. I think that should be done by experienced police officers.
Custody? What happens when someone dies? Police officers are accountable. I do not think private contractors will be held to the same standard (I stand to be corrected, but that is my genuinely held belief)
It's not the canteen they are talking about turning over to the private sector.
If the government are that sure that the private sector is good enough, there's an easy way to prove it. Abolish the royalty, personal protection and diplomatic protection commands. When I see my leaders doing without their personal phalanx of uniformed and plainclothes police officers (very well selected, trained, equipped and armed, I might add-more than you'd get via the 999 system,) and they are replaced by private contractors I will be convinced of their argument.
It's rubbish. The public know, the top brass of the police know it (but want to keep their jobs or get on the board of G4S or whatever) and politicians don't live in the real world anyway.
I'd have a bet that "commercial confidentiality" would soon be used to hide behind to prevent proper scrutiny of "police" activities, and there would be even less accountability through the IPPC or FOI requests-which at least the plod have to pretend to give a damn about.
If you want to pay cops less, just pay them less. There's nothing they can do about it. But don't ask the upholding of law and order to be done for profit. That is what privatisation means.