situation in Algeria

i can't help wondering if the actions from the Algerian Army were partly due to the pride of their Government (i.e. they don't want to be seen as weak in their own country - for fear of their own version of an Arab Spring), and partly due to the importance of the energy plant (i.e. since their economy is vitally dependent on energy production). Did someone at BP pick up the phone and say ... "Look for goodness sake get that plant cleared of terrorists now - before they blow it to kingdom come!". You have to wonder. Were hostages second priority ... compared to essential hardware ??

KL
 
Starboard13 said:
Terrorists dont give a ferk for the "Right boys on the job".
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Can you expand because a quality trained team employing a quality system that is consummate with the threat and environment operating with proper intelligence will afford better protection than a £300 a month local wielding a rusty AK and therefore be a deterrent in itself.
The incident is still unclear but common sense dictates that Terrorists (or threat) is deterred by "the right boys on the job".

LH
 
Algeria crisis: Algerian forces find 'two Canadians and at least one Frenchman' among bodies of gas plant gunmen | Mail Online

Day by day more and more int is coming out about this job.
In our current climate of hysteria,fear and global-terrorism I can't figure out how a bunch of guys who would have been on Box's, CSIS's and DCRI watchlist, without a doubt, managed to cross 1000miles of desert without anybody knowing about it.
As you said KL it was an inside job but not from a couple of low level blokes that worked at that location in the middle of nowhere but at a much higher national level.
 
Have none of you really noticed that when our representative leaders, who all work for large multi-national corporations, need a reason to hit,takeover or quell a sovereign nation- Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Syria,Bahrain, Egypt, Mali, Mauritania, Pakistan, Yemen etc etc, the Al Qaeda myth is rolled out with no real evidence of their existance apart from endless, continuous repetition? Do you really think that this worldwide bunch of players that was run by a guy with fcuked kidneys from a cave in Afghan are really that omnipotent?
The same 6'6" Saudi gentleman then moved to the Paki version of Aldershot where he lived without being rumbled for almost a decade before being raided/killed by SEAL team6 and then dumped in the sea with no phot evidence or evidence in any way shape or form that it was genuine in the 1st place.
Most of that SEAL team have since been killed in chopper crashes, training exercises and suicides since that event which is peculiar especially as the other teams have been plodding along normally.
Interesting post for those interested enough to travel outside of the box...
aangirfan: ALGERIA ATTACK - INSIDE JOB
 
Two of those killed were ex pat security consultants (working for Stirling). One was Brit ex FFL and the other ex French SF. Algerian law does not permit the ex pat consuiltants to carry weapons. I doubt that this will change.
 
gareth said:
Have none of you really noticed that when our representative leaders, who all work for large multi-national corporations, need a reason to hit,takeover or quell a sovereign nation- Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Syria,Bahrain, Egypt, Mali, Mauritania, Pakistan, Yemen etc etc, the Al Qaeda myth is rolled out with no real evidence of their existance apart from endless, continuous repetition? Do you really think that this worldwide bunch of players that was run by a guy with fcuked kidneys from a cave in Afghan are really that omnipotent?
The same 6'6" Saudi gentleman then moved to the Paki version of Aldershot where he lived without being rumbled for almost a decade before being raided/killed by SEAL team6 and then dumped in the sea with no phot evidence or evidence in any way shape or form that it was genuine in the 1st place.
Most of that SEAL team have since been killed in chopper crashes, training exercises and suicides since that event which is peculiar especially as the other teams have been plodding along normally.
Interesting post for those interested enough to travel outside of the box...
aangirfan: ALGERIA ATTACK - INSIDE JOB
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Too pathetic to be worthy of counter-argument.
 
If you are happy to just look at things the way the government and press tell you to look at things- more fool you.
Have a little look around on the net and hopefully you'll start to see that things haven't made sense in a while and certainly not since '01.
Look at the trillions that have been made by the big corporations and the resource grabbing that gone on since 9/11.
Oh no, all Muslims are terrorists!
I've met lots and lots of ppl in this game who, through their own experiences, see things the same as me.
Do some research, if you can be arsed, and come back here later. I'm not going to feed you any int, you must do that yourself.
It was the Arabs that dunnit, innit?
Unfortunately for these poor blokes in Algerie they've become unwilling pawns in a global game of chess.
 
Was sad to hear that two of stirlings guys went down, one hostage is quoted as saying Paul Morgan went down fighting. If nothing else let this be a lesson to all those that think working in HE is just a two week course away.

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fbg said:
Was sad to hear that two of stirlings guys went down, one hostage is quoted as saying Paul Morgan went down fighting. If nothing else let this be a lesson to all those that think working in HE is just a two week course away.

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Never a truer word spoken fbg
When nothing is happening you are paid to much, when it hits the fan it's where you earn your money and it is never enough money.
Thoughts go out to his family he did himself proud
 
Although it seems like a bit of a mess, the rescue operation will be seen as a strategic success. Puts out a clear message to terrorists that taking hostages in Algeria is a completely pointless exercise. Given the size and scale of the plant and the number of terrorists and hostages it's hard to see how any military force could have done much better. What needs looked at by everyone, Algeria, Britain, BP to name a few, is how it happened in the first place. Seemed far too easy, too large a job that somebody didn't see it coming.

Thoughts are with the families of all those who died, R.I.P.

Geds
 
i didn't realize that some people here may have known the security guys who went down in the BP incident. I agree ... when the chips are down it's not nearly enough money. But let me offer my deepest condolences to anyone who's reading this and lost a friend. If you see any news stories that talk about their actions at the plant ... please post a link.

KL
 
Sorry Guys someone has to speak to Gareth, are you in security????

There are many countries around the world that hate the West and how better to kick a country side ways, then to get them to focus on terrorism issues, by using a Group like Al Qaeda that is known for hating the West and love fighting, ask the Russian, they were at war with them for years, so why not fund them to terrorise & kill. There are always companies that make money out of death and yes there were companies worldwide that made money from 9/11.

I take it you know the difference between Muslims & Islamic's, they are totally different, yes they both read the Qur'an, but they interpret the meaning of the Qur'an differently. The West in not against Muslims, but they are against the majority of Islamist as they are the ones that make up Al Qaeda, Mujahedeen, Al Shabaab & many others groups with different titles.

As for Algeria, it has been stated that it took over two months of planning and yes many of the terrorist got jobs at the plant long before the attack, thats how they got in and knew who the security boys were and as for funding, well if you want to go down the conspircy theory, who better to fund these lot, then a company or person that would happliy take out the competition, make money and also hates the West. As for if they live or die on a mission, well if they die 'Allah will send them to Paradise', this is what Islam teaches.

These Islamist are growing worldwide they are not only in the Middle East & most of North Africa, they are in Indonesian, Philipphines and yes they are also in Russia fighting and now the checky buggers are try parts of China. Oh and look who is trying to cause trouble in London to provoke the likes of EDL to come out to play, so they can call it a racist attack from whites on Islamist and then start tit for tat violence, so it gets bigger & bigger.. Your friend I take it is a Muslim and thats why he may have the same out look on life as you do.
They are not your cavemen you may think they are & as for Bin Laiden, he was educated and the guy who has taken over his slot, well he is even more dangerous, due to his education, he was a Doctor and doesn't sit in a cave, this one likes to move around. As for there weapons they treat them like anyone else, when it comes to the tool of there trade, some like the AK47 others like the M16 and they have rich supporters, but they also make up there money by kidnapping people as there is money in it, well, ask the Somalians and the Colombian's in South America, they make lots of money.
There are different Terrorist worldwide even places like India have dfferent ones Mujahedeen and the Maoist Rebels that both want foreigners out of there country, but don't like each other, a bit like the Somalian Mujahedeen and the Somalian Pirates, when it comes to business they will do business with each other or anyone else.
We have our own Domestic Terrorist like the IRA, The Real IRA, ALF, SHAC, Dark Angel & many others.

I hope this will give you chance to reflect on your earlier comments and check the internet out, as these details are also out there.

Before anyone asks yes I Door Supervisoring now and I don't do your normal hobbies like Golf, Swimming, Knitting, I like to look around the internet and checking up on Terrorism worldwide, yep I know i'm weird. Cheers Jen
 
Jen , thanks for your view but you aren't talking to some 18yr old who doesn't have a clue about what he talks.
Let's leave it at that.
If you can bring forth int from anywhere, left,right, main stream media or alternative I would always be interested in reading it and trying to understand not just "what is supposed to have gone on" -but- "what happened" as this whole event came from leftfield.
 
Any time that the subject of terrorist attacks comes up - there are always theories that start circulating about possible conspiracies and who is really responsible. It happens a lot on the USA too.

However - the attack on the BP plant is an involvement by serious Islamic mujahideen. And one piece of evidence actually comes from the French military who are now fighting similar extremists in Mali. Please see the comments below from French soldiers. They recently lost a helicopter to these terrorists. These Islamists are well equipped and putting up determined resistance. I am personally hoping that France keeps the FFL in Mali for a long time - because if they switch to a local African force then I think the Islamists will grow in strength. The Legion can knock them down, but not local forces.

Mali Islamists much stronger than expected: France | News , International | THE DAILY STAR

KL
 
KingLeonidas said:
Mali Islamists much stronger than expected: France | News , International | THE DAILY STAR
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It's always interesting to see how some intelligence agencies work, get their sights misted up by politics, or just how some mass media write about it using interested, if not plainly weak, sources.

"Mali Islamists much stronger than expected" (...) "Initially, they appeared like a rag-tag bunch travelling in their Toyotas with a few weapons," the official added. "But they've shown themselves to be well-equipped, well-armed and well-trained.", (...) "The French officials believe the Islamists obtained many of their weapons during last year's unrest"

Gee, a surprise, really? They only needed to follow events and read OSINT generated by various think-tanks or if too lazy to do that just read CPWorld a year ago:

http://www.closeprotectionworld.com...ters-bring-instability-north-west-africa.html

http://www.closeprotectionworld.com...652-mali-besieged-fighters-fleeing-libya.html

It reminds me of a certain Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores employee at the Spanish Embassy in Cairo who unashamedly admitted the start of the Egyptian version of the "Arab Spring" caught them by surprise. Knowing how it works, no doubt he has been promoted after that.

As for conspiracy theories and theorists, I wonder why they always come up when things already happened and there are people mourning their relatives and friends. Are they so deeply concerned that they expect their theories will bring them back? Or do they believe it helps to those mourning to listen to someone implying those who died in the line of duty (or just because being in the wrong place at the wrong time) were just stupid fools used as pawns by some big dark hand? It seems there isn't just one ideology behind these restless 'conspiracy finders' just as it seems there are no limits when they start, it can go from denying the Holocaust to claim the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was staged and those interviewed by the media after the event were professional actors. Now, before some theorist eager to open my eyes says something including the words 'uninformed' 'manipulation', 'truth' and so on, I have my own ideas and I can even theorize if I feel up to it, I don't need anybody leading my reading or interpreting world news for me, after all I happened to analyze world events and politics for a living so I guess I can manage. I just meant to say that some moments are not the best ones to let yourself ramble, quite often is better to think what to say instead of saying what you think.
 
Hostage drama: Algeria admits mistakes

Hostage drama: Algeria admits mistakes
2013-01-26

Algeria's foreign minister acknowledged that security forces made mistakes in a hostage crisis at a Saharan gas plant in which many foreign workers were killed by Algerian military strikes.

Mourad Medelci, in an Associated Press interview, also conceded that Algeria will need international help to better fight terrorism. Algeria's decision to refuse foreign offers of aid in handling the crisis, and to send the military to fire on vehicles full of hostages, drew widespread international criticism.

The 16 January attack, which an al-Qaeda-affiliated organisation has claimed responsibility for, sent scores of foreign energy workers fleeing across the desert for their lives. A four-day siege by Algerian forces on the complex left at least 37 hostages and 29 militants dead. Some of the fatalities were badly burned, making it difficult to identify them.

"We are in the process of assessing our mistakes. In that assessment we are leaning more towards establishing that the operation was a success," Medelci told the AP at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Friday.

He said Algeria is likely to reinforce security measures at sites where multinationals operate in the oil- and gas-rich country. But he insisted that foreign workers in Algeria "will continue to work in Algeria and that is the best way to answer the terrorists".

He defended the government's decision to attack instead of negotiating. "Faced with such an attitude [of terrorism], it's not just words that solve the problem. It's action," he said.

But he admitted that Algeria, which faced years of internal extremist violence, "can't continue to face international terrorism alone. It absolutely needs support."

He argued that Algeria wasn't the target of the attack, but "they are targeting investors in Algeria and the foreigners who work there".

- Associated Press
 
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