security networking what are your thoughts?

billythekid

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Hi, i recently attended a security networking event and to be honest with you i was very disappointed with the whole days events. It was death by power point and speakers. after speaking to a few guys there they all felt the same and did not see what they were gettting for their money. I myself felt that i had been ripped off and was expecting to get alot more out of it and walk away with more knowledge and a few more contacts for more work, but that was not the case.

Now i know there are alot of companys out there and they are all doing very much the same and charging a fortune. just want to know what your thoughts are on security networking events and conferences? what would you like to see at these events? how much would you pay to attend one? what is a suitable central location that you would travel to attend one?
and any other comments you feel relevent.......

thanks!
 
I think that they can be very informative as long as you show up to the right ones. I was a speaker at seminar about two years ago. A good friend of mine with the FBI stationed oversees had told me that he would be interested in attending. So he came along of course; this went over nine hours at a local university. I found it to be very informative but my friend was ready to hoot everyone in their out of boredom.

I can understand that though the seminars main discussion was Practical Need for Private Security In the Defense Industry. Many countries would not entertain the idea, many old timers like to stick with the original ways of course and some countries just can not get the funding for this.

My point is that when you sign up for these you need to really ensure that you are interested in what it will cover. If the theme is over multiple fields in the industry but a focal point connection between them and you are only interested in one field then I would recommend staying home. If it is only one or a couple fields that grasp your full undivided attention then stick with that and run with it. Curiosity will come soon enough once you have spent time with that; you will then start to see a connection of all the field within the industry.

I think that is were respect your elders comes in to play. We might not like what they have to say but if they choose to speak then we should choose to listen; fore they have been around a great deal longer and can have an encyclopedia set of knowledge in the industry.

That is what I think. As fore distance traveling. Well if you are really in to it then there is no limit.
 
billythekid, I have left this post here as ppl have responded but you do not need to put the exact same post on 4 other parts of CPW (deleted!) once is enough mate.
regards
dodger :D
 
Networking is the main opportunity to find a job, or relations leading to future work.
However like Billythekid says, these networking events and organizers must think above their own interests and only what the individuals that join in expecting.
I think its alright to ask for money for your time and knowledge shared, but the information given must be of interest to the people attending.

I havent been on this event, but on a networking event you would expect to get contacts and ideas, points in how to network, share and learn the process in finding work, we all been there including myself that is still fighting like many others for our next contract.

But I still think the training providers/schools must take some responsibility aswell here.
The industry is very difficult, and the students must know this I keep telling people that only the best individuals or with extensive training and the ones given 110% will be sucsessfull.
I am being contacted by alot of people asking for help and information about work, and still they trained with other organisations.
Dont get me wrong its always the students choice and how much he/she wants fight/work to find a job. No training provider will tell who will be given a job or not, its always the individual.
But people dont understand how a CV should be written, they dont understand the process from the initial contact from a company and what is happening later.
What type of stuff they need to have done prior to an application incase youre picked out.
What papers, documentations, records etc is asked for
Some training providers seem to plan a new course when the students last day is coming up, when the questions and in formation is needed they turn the focus away on setting up a new course.
Its more starting to look like industrial terms of the automation principles

Its also a huge diffrence between nationalities since Europeans / Scandinavians or other nationalities cant just apply within British / US companies.
If you have diffrent nationalities on a course each individual have to be treated diffrently in terms to employment
They must have the right information about which companies offering work to a Finish guy or who recruit ex Germans.

Another very important thing is the various backgrounds from students.
Some have elit military background and hostile experience and others may have extreme qualifications in medical training etc..
There are diffrent ways in to the industry but the training provider must sit down and point out the facts for each individual what is his/hers best way to enter the industry, what is his/hers advantage

I am not saying this in disrespect to training providers, I am very comfortable that the skills and training effort is 100% just that we need to give the students more then training a insight in what is expected and what ways are ahead.

In the past when I was training bodyguards in tactical pistol, protective driving, basic and advance courses in bodyguarding for iba, the courses was full and many training programs runned over the years. Now I run my own company instead even with more skills, experiences but the interest is far from what it have been.

I know some of you out there are disapointed, but when you choose training provider ask the questions before. When people is contacting me I dont whant to offend anyone but when guys is saying I trained with this and that company can you help me find employment?
Now why should I help someone and give out my personal contact details to recruiters and country mangers to someone that trained with someone else?

Again this with network is very important, I just strongly feel the training providers to be more responsable to hand out all information and contacts to its students that pass a course.

All the best,
Hawk
 
"I know some of you out there are disapointed, but when you choose training provider ask the questions before. When people is contacting me I dont whant to offend anyone but when guys is saying I trained with this and that company can you help me find employment?
Now why should I help someone and give out my personal contact details to recruiters and country mangers to someone that trained with someone else?

Again this with network is very important, I just strongly feel the training providers to be more responsable to hand out all information and contacts to its students that pass a course. "

( In my best Don Corleon imitation )

"Eeeeehh, You do meee a favor, Capish? One day I will return your favor, Capish? ( Now you can get on your knees and kiss my ring:D )

Don KURT
 
Obviously you missunderstod the meaning here.
Is it to much to ask your training provider for help and information?

To be honest here, we are all working to pay the bills
Companies are running business not charity, and why should we hand out our contacts to someone that trained with other organisations.
If you read my previous posts I have made alot of advices and information and posts jobs but when individuals ask me for my personal contacts to managers and companies I have gained thrue hard work, I choose to help our graduates instead of others.

I just say ask your providers for help

And alot in this business is to scratch backs, what ever we like it or not
Hawk
 
Networking is an incredibly important means to finding work.
Pinging off a million Unsolicited CV's probably wont get you a single reply.
So networking is probably for me the main source of work.
The lads are stuck between a rock and a hard place when they are trying to get started.So its a shame to see that some people want to RIP them off.
Its like everything in life, if people can see the chance to earn a $ from something they will.Some of the prices that have been quoted for these network events are just damm right insulting.The quality of some of the speakers is just shit.Thats the only way they can be described.
Yes you do get some good network events (CPW) for example but I would stay away from most of the others.(Thats me trying not to name and shame).I could really throw some mud at this but I wont at the moment to avoid the wrath of Annie.
 
The CPW events have been incredibly popular and great networking events. Yes there are speakers but it is also a great informal environment for just chatting and a bit of banter..... 24/7 is always in the bar for a chat haha. Sounds like you had a bad experience which is a shame. As Sutty says networking is incredibly important in this industry
 
What network event was it?

I can't see any problems with it and can give the organisers an opportunity to give their side of the story.

I don't see it as a name and shame campaign what so ever.

I will go as far to say that our forum meeting in June in which we had just short of 300 people went down well and we will be planning a new one for April 2010.

Regards,

CM
 
At the last CP World networking event in London, I had many people come and talk to us at our stand and in the bar afterward.

As a result, three people that I had never met before the event have now had work from us.

It pays to shake someones hand and say hello, far more than posting off a CV.

Cheers

Peter @ ISS
 
Networking is important in any industry however with security at this present time it’s a danger. The industry is still evolving and there are still very few professional guidelines on standards apart from those presented by the SIA and these are not saleable to the corporate sector nor are they compatible to the standard of expertise associated to skills employed in other countries.
The problem with standards lies in the original 2002 Green Paper which basically confused private security companies with private military companies. What currently exists is a syllabus which is a multi-skilled practice with no common fountain of knowledge more so what is taught is in many cases unworkable and dangerous. Added to this any person can attend close protection training and sit the SIA test. The student simple finds a private company and after police clearance, personally finances the training which supposedly last 150 hours. This covers subjects that in established organisations such as the police or military totalled would require 488 classroom hours to acquire a basic knowledge of the listed subjects not including the sub-skills.
On completion the student registers for the test. The training received is conducted by an almost unregulated company who in addition invigilates the final written exam. To compound the situation most candidates will pass, even with a poor personal characteristics, poor education and even worse ethics. For a teaching company to attempt to strike the right balance by failing those not suitable is committing commercial suicide. That is the industry at the moment.
The first problem that needs solving is standards this can only be done from within. Although the industry is regulated by the government it has to be self regulated cheating has to be eliminated and standards improved. This mean there has to be a professional association for this end of the market. No networking is not feasible until this happens, when a saleable standard is received then corporate networking can begin.
 
Dear Monkey,

It says on your profile you are administrator, i take it you are also the forum owner?

I have seen there will be a CP world meeting on the 9th of April 2010 in London.

Do people have to pay to get in or will it be free?

How many people are you expecting?

Do we have to wear a tag on our clothes stating our nicknames on CP world?

Do we have to come in a suit?

What kind of food will be there and drinks?

apart from companies trying to convince us to buy their courses will there actually be companies recruiting cpo's?

It is great that there will be raffle prizes and are we allowed to buy more than 1 ticket to increase our chances to get a course?

I agree with ISS that there is a big difference in sending a cv by email and actually giving a firm handshake and looking one in the eye and saying "i am the one for your company"

also, if there is booze involved then i will try to get as many company directors to drink the most possible amount of alcohol and then it will be easier to "convince" them that i am the one for them.

Will the men and women cpo's be in separate rooms or together?
In some cultures it isn't allowed and i think we need to think and respect all religions and men tend to get distracted when women are about and we need to focus on business contacts only wouldn't you agree?

I am very pleased to have discovered this forum and its a gem and I have mates in australia using it as well as in the states.









Just pop in and have a look see you won`t be disappointed...

Trust me..
 
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