Union Jack ban defied by armed police

its not "OUR" country no more its been systimatically handed over to the floods of non british that now share this soil. Close the doors and take the Australian view if you don't like it then F*** off back to whence you came and take your sponging tribe with you
 
ôm not British, but that sort of thing would make me wonder about my society if I wasn´t allowed fly my national flag. Feck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well i really do not know what to say, But i now live in the Philippines with my wife and little head case called my daughter, and besides joining the Engineers it has been the best move i ever made. I feel more British there than i ever did back in blighty. And except to visit, the chances of me going back are slim.
As the dolphins said in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy before the world ended, Good bye and thanks for all the fish!
 
Have no intention of staying in the UK once all the girls are finished school and A levels, and have naffed off to Uni. Definitley be selling up and leaving.
 
I Echo the sentiments of all above it really comes to something when we are forced to embrace other cultures allow them their place and freedoms whilst hiding our own nations flag England is or should i say was the glue to half the world but now we have to appologise for even considering our own identity if scottish welsh or irish your national identity is a proud thing something to be celebrated at home or abroad we English roll out the red carpet and join in with all but mention April 23rd and the rest of the union goes apeshit (and dont even get me started on foriegn nationals)
ITS TIME TO RECLAIM THE FLAG OF ST GEORGE FROM SKIN HEADS,FOOTBALL HOOLIGANS AND RACISTS TWATS AND REMIND EACH OTHER AND THE WORLD WHAT ENGALND AND THE UNION STAND FOR FREEDOM OF ACTION AND WORD BUT NOT TO THE POINT WE ARE NOW AT WHERE WE HAVE TO IGNORE OUR OWN CULTURE TO ALLOW OTHERS---------------WHEN IN ROME!!!!!!!!!!!-------------WHY CAN WE NOT EXPECT THAT SIMPLE MARK OF RESPECT WHO EVER YOU ARE WHAT EVER YOUR REASON FOR BEING HERE ITS OUR COUNTRY BECOME PART OF IT NOT CHANGE IT TO THAT WHICH YOU LEFT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rant over!!!!!
 
ALCON:

This is ridiculous!

The Union Flag is a symbol of British national identity and should be flown or prominently displayed at all HMG buildings/facilities, and should, where appropriate, be worn as part of official uniforms.

The Flag of Saint George's Cross is the traditional symbol of England and should be displayed with pride by all true Englishmen and Englishwomen - true means born in England, or born elsewhere but has freely chosen to live in England and productively contribute!

Why is it OK for a Scotsman to display the Flag of Saint Andrew's Cross, or for a Welshman to display the Dragon of Wales, but racist for an Englishman to display the Flag of Saint George's Cross? The Flag of Saint George belongs to England (and has so belonged for centuries), skinheads and BNP neo-fascists be damned!

I live in Canada and fly the Maple Leaf with pride, but with equal pride I also fly the Union Flag and the Flag of Saint George - the flags of the land of my birth.

Those living in England who are offended by flags and symbols of British and English nationhood should go live somewhere else!

Regards,

Dave (born an Englishman, but living in the Great White North)
 
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On the subject of flags and flying them, has anyone thought is annoying that when on Ops, you can't fly the George Cross due to the good old Geneva Convention!?

Just a thought!

Walks
 
Walks99:

On ops, it is the British Army (not the English Army) that is deployed. The British Army is the Army of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not just England. Therefore, the proper flag to be flown on ops is the Union Flag not the Flag of Saint George.

A subtle, but important distinction:

- Union Flag = UK = England & Wales plus Scotland and Northern Ireland
- Saint George's Flag = England

Scotsmen, Welshmen and Ulstermen in the British Army probably would not be happy to fly or serve under Saint George's Flag. However, we all can identify with the Union Flag.

As a practical matter, the Flag of Saint George looks too much like the flag of the Red Cross (reversed colours of the flag of Switzerland), which, as you point out, is reserved for medical use by the Geneva Conventions. Using the Red Cross for non-medical facilities/purposes is a breach of the Conventions, so the revered Flag of Saint George must stay home during ops.

Regards,

Dave
 
a51541476 said:
Walks99:

On ops, it is the British Army (not the English Army) that is deployed. The British Army is the Army of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not just England. Therefore, the proper flag to be flown on ops is the Union Flag not the Flag of Saint George.

A subtle, but important distinction:

- Union Flag = UK = England & Wales plus Scotland and Northern Ireland
- Saint George's Flag = England

Scotsmen, Welshmen and Ulstermen in the British Army probably would not be happy to fly or serve under Saint George's Flag. However, we all can identify with the Union Flag.

As a practical matter, the Flag of Saint George looks too much like the flag of the Red Cross (reversed colours of the flag of Switzerland), which, as you point out, is reserved for medical use by the Geneva Conventions. Using the Red Cross for non-medical facilities/purposes is a breach of the Conventions, so the revered Flag of Saint George must stay home during ops.

Regards,

Dave
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Dave, 100% understand all that and I am fully aware of the reasons regarding the red cross etc when I wrote my post, plese don't think I didn't.

My point is that the Scots, Welsh and the Irish are very particular about flying their individual flag on an individual unit basis. Example - A Scotish Infantry Reg (Can' remember which) had the flag of St Andrew on their Snatch (Landrover that is!). The Scotish and Welsh guys were able to fly their own flags (Lion Rampant, Red Dragon etc...) in and around thier accomodation, the English weren't and we were asked to put up Union Flags.

I fully understand why but my point is........

It always seems that the English get the shit end of the stick when it comes to national identity. It's stolen, hacked to death and used in the most mindless and racist ways, it really fecks me off!

Walks
 
It seems to me that this should have been put to bed straight away by the senior officers involved. If they had some balls about them this would never have been an issue in the first place.

They should get a grip and concentrate on the more important things like doing thier job and not worrying about thier next promotion!

Now where's my Union Jack lapel badge?
 
Kelv said:
It seems to me that this should have been put to bed straight away by the senior officers involved. If they had some balls about them this would never have been an issue in the first place.

They should get a grip and concentrate on the more important things like doing thier job and not worrying about thier next promotion!

Now where's my Union Jack lapel badge?
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Nice statement of intent Kelv!

Did a quick google and came up with this. I'm buying a few and giving them to my guys to wear!

Union Jack Badges, patches and Pins
 
When I was at LHR, the senior officers, and indeed some of the permanent beat officers in the terminals, were often unwilling to upset BAA. They liked to keep them on side for when they retired, so anything which rocked the boat, was seen as not in the best interest of the airport. What a load of old self serving horse shit.

But you're absolutely correct when you say they should've gripped it straight away. If the Supt had just said, "Mind your own fookin business", it would now be done and dusted AND he/she would've made up some huge brownie points with the teams.

I used to wear a regimental shoulder title on my body armour (it was black so blended in). You'd have had to wrestle that out of my dead cold fingers before I'd give it up. As for the Union Flag - the top brass should now make it a requirement for every officer to wear it. Afterall, a PC is an appointed and warranted representative of the crown, that serves the people, so it should be part of the uniform. And if that offends potential police recruits from minority sections of the community, then maybe they should be considering whether it's the right career choice for them.

Actually, something has just occured to me. In Europe, the US and Canada, Police, Customs, Mil etc, all have their national flag on their uniforms and they're worn with pride. Why then should it even be a point of discussion in the UK? Ans: Because were directed by spineless REMF shits that's why.

This is outrageous, and smacks of the grossest hypocracy - they're offended by our national flag but are happy to take the pay packet. If the complainant is genuinely so offended, I promise to personally give them the funds to return to wence they came if they're not a UK national, and if they are a UK national, then they should be ashamed of themselves, and should not be working in any governmental position.

Starlight Out
 
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Starlight said:
Actually, something has just occured to me. In Europe, the US and Canada, Police, Customs, Mil etc, all have their national flag on their uniforms and they're worn with pride. Why then should it even be a point of discussion in the UK? Ans: Because were directed by spineless REMF shits that's why.
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Starlight:

Quite right! In the Canadian Army, our combats (current CADPAT and former OG) have had national flags on the shoulder for years. Many (not all) Canadian police and firefighters uniforms also include the Canadian flag on the shoulder or as part of epaulet slides.

The British Army wears the Union Flag on its combat dress. Surely, the ACPO or various UK police bodies/associations can grip this issue and have a tasteful way of incorporating a Union Flag patch or pin as part of police uniform?

Britons, show your national pride! Stand up to the spineless PC REMFs that want to kill your national identity! Show the flag!

Regards,

Dave (Brit born, but living in the Great White North)
 
You know what a51541476, you've reminded me of something. It's to do with Canada actually.
I was in Resolute 3 years ago, as a medic on a polar exped (lived on the sea ice for nearly 5 weeks - brrrrrrr). I noticed that even as far north as Nunavut, the Inuit who are also Canadians, fly their own nation's flag Nunavut Flag refers. If you'll excuse the somewhat 'romatic' guesture, It's a beautiful flag.
They also fly the canadian flag, which is viewed with great affection, and somewhat surprisingly, they fly the union flag on not only civic buildings but also on some of the private houses. And that's quite litterally thousands of miles from anything even remotely 'British'.
Similarly, I worked on the ski patrol in Whistler (a bit of a busman holiday) the following year and the Canadian flag, was everywhere. But surprisingly, the union flag was flown in the village.

It seems that other nations are prouder of our union flag, than our own lords and masters are here in the UK.

To those peoples and nations, I thank you for your thoughts, and raise a toast to you. "here's to peaceful, domocratic patriots everywhere, from whatever nation you're from, I salute you"

And to the head sheds here, be warned, 'cause if you've pissed me off, given that I am particularly tolerant, then you can bet your life (quite litterally) that some well trained super sneaky head banger is watching how things are going. Good luck with that encounter!!!!!

Starlight Out
 
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The Union Flag is Alive and well in Canada's Flags and Heraldry

Starlight:

Prior to 1965, Canada’s flag was the Red Ensign, with the Union Flag in the canton and the shield from Canada’s Coat of Arms in the fly. Although the Canadian flag no longer includes the Union Flag, three of Canada’s provincial flags do – British Columbia, Manitoba and Ontario. Manitoba’s and Ontario’s flags are Red Ensigns, with the Union Flag in the canton and the shields from the provinces’ Coats of Arms in the fly. British Columbia’s flag shows the Union Flag surmounting the setting sun and the sea, taken from the shield in that province’s Coat of Arms.

Nova Scotia (Latin for New Scotland) has a provincial flag that is a reverse of the flag of Scotland – blue Saint Andrew’s Cross on a white background, with the Arms of Scotland (Red Lion rampant on a gold background, etc. – Or, a Lion Rampant Gules within a tressure fleury counter fleury, as blazoned in heraldic speak) in the centre of the flag.

Canada’s Coat of Arms includes the Union Flag, plus, on the shield, a modified version of the Royal Arms. The shields of the Coats of Arms for the Provinces of Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario all contain Saint George’s Cross/Flag. As previously mentioned, the shield in British Columbia’s Coat of Arms contains the Union Flag.

All across Canada, one can find Union Flags proudly flown by Canadians descended from British forebears, or by Brits who have immigrated here. In Nova Scotia and other parts of the Maritime Provinces, one can find plenty of Saint Andrew’s Cross Flags flown by Canadians proud of their Scots heritage.

I came to Canada from Britain as a boy, but still am proud of where I came from. I fly the Union Flag, the Flag of Saint George and the Maple Leaf with pride – to honour the land where I live and the land of my birth.

The symbols of Britain’s national identity are alive and well in Canada’s flags and heraldry. Long may they so remain, lest we be absorbed by the rebel colony to our south.

Regards,

Dave (Brit born, and proud of it, but living in the Great White North)
 
The English get the sh*t end of the stick? Never!

Walks99 said:
Dave, 100% understand all that and I am fully aware of the reasons regarding the red cross etc when I wrote my post, plese don't think I didn't.

My point is that the Scots, Welsh and the Irish are very particular about flying their individual flag on an individual unit basis. Example - A Scotish Infantry Reg (Can' remember which) had the flag of St Andrew on their Snatch (Landrover that is!). The Scotish and Welsh guys were able to fly their own flags (Lion Rampant, Red Dragon etc...) in and around thier accomodation, the English weren't and we were asked to put up Union Flags.

I fully understand why but my point is........

It always seems that the English get the shit end of the stick when it comes to national identity. It's stolen, hacked to death and used in the most mindless and racist ways, it really fecks me off!

Walks
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Walks99:

I fully understand your frustration. I also understand why your chain of command did not want the Cross of Saint George flown in theatre (Geneva Conventions, etc.). There are other signs of English nationality that could have been flown instead that compete well with the Scots Lion and Welsh Dragon.

I personally would have dug deeper into England's past and used the Three Gold Lions on a Red ground (Gules, three lions passant guardant in pale or, according to the heralds). This appears in the Royal Arms today and was proudly flown on many an occasion by the English Army in the Middle Ages alongside the Cross of Saint George. If the Scots lads can fly the Red Lion (actually part of the Royal Arms of Scotland), then the English lads can fly the Three Gold Lions (part of the Royal Arms of England). Problem solved - an English Flag that does not contravene the Geneva Convention. The English also get three lions to the Scots single lion or Welsh single dragon!

Englishmen get the sh*t end of the stick only for national identity only if they stand by and do nothing! Your forefathers were the scourge of France (in the Hundred Years War - with great help from Welsh longbowmen) and beat the Spanish Armada, long before there was a United Kingdom.

Arise true Englishmen and defend your national identity, lest it be lost forever! Reclaim your flag from the skinheads and BNP neo-fascists, and fly it with pride!

Regards,

Dave (Born of England, but living in the Great White North)
 
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All fantastic comments, I cant seem to find a Union jack lapel pin bizarrely, so If anyone knows where I can get some !!!!

next time I fly through Heathrow, I might actually hand one out to every immigration official and BAA member, you know as a proud reminder of the country they are NOW living in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Notsogreen.....look at these www.badge-suppliers.co.uk/badges you will find what you are looking for here, so please don't say you can't find any, that is a pathetic comment. I also find it very difficult to believe that you would actually hand them out, if you are a man of your word then go and buy some and do it.

If not please keep your silly suggestions to yourself.
 
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