Seriously ??????????????????????

FFS..If you can't read basic instructions to the fact the task was for FEMALE Operators then it's a sad state of affairs.

Try giving them a route and venue to recce...On the fast ball..
Sort out travel plans and organise airport drop offs and pick ups...
And then all change as the travel plans have snowballed to another country...

All relevant and do happen all the time....

If you can't understand the basics then your in the wrong industry..

Well that's my Sunday rant over with....Carry on. :-)

D
 
Dance_with_the_devil said:
FFS..If you can't read basic instructions to the fact the task was for FEMALE Operators then it's a sad state of affairs.

Try giving them a route and venue to recce...On the fast ball..
Sort out travel plans and organise airport drop offs and pick ups...
And then all change as the travel plans have snowballed to another country...

All relevant and do happen all the time....

If you can't understand the basics then your in the wrong industry..

Well that's my Sunday rant over with....Carry on. :-)

D
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so so TRUE. If you can trust someone to get the basic requirements correct from day one, how will an oprerative cope when the heat is turned up and that peeble of an original task has now become a massive rock and just keeps gathering more moss. Ok I know my example is not the greatest but it does have a point. Its like if someone can't even complete an application form correctly, we all know that person may not be able to carry out a Reece correctly. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
 
I agree with most comments about males applying for female only roles and I understand how annoying this must be, but I don't see why you and CM feel the need to ban people just for sending you a irrelevant CV.

Name and shame maybe, bit of abuse definitely but banning is a bit much IMO.
 
i do agree with matt in a way

but we have alot of time wasters trolls and wannbees on the forum atm

if a male member applies for a female task 7 day ban

if that same memberdoes it again 1 month

3 rd time out banned full stop

that way the job posters are not pissed off with none fit for purpose staf, the idiots get sorted out and some of the Bottum feeder ( Vs name for them ) TPs pissoff aswell given this site a better name for pros of all sections

i have had dealings over the last week with some top notch guys its a pitty the rest of the idiots are not this professinal or half as

i must admit its nice to work with good and better backgrounded lads than i have been working with


just saying ed
 
ed said:
i do agree with matt in a way

but we have alot of time wasters trolls and wannbees on the forum atm

if a male member applies for a female task 7 day ban

if that same memberdoes it again 1 month

3 rd time out banned full stop

that way the job posters are not pissed off with none fit for purpose staf, the idiots get sorted out and some of the Bottum feeder ( Vs name for them ) TPs pissoff aswell given this site a better name for pros of all sections

i have had dealings over the last week with some top notch guys its a pitty the rest of the idiots are not this professinal or half as

i must admit its nice to work with good and better backgrounded lads than i have been working with


just saying ed
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I agree with that Ed members repeatedly spamming job posters with cv's need punishing sounds like a fair way to sort it.
 
I'd compile a list and of names and numbers and sell it to those annoying telemarketing companies, let them get mithered for a bit by morons with nothing better to do with their time.... lets them know how it feels and you might make back a few quid to compensate you for your wasted time.

In the real world you couldn't do it, Data Protection etc but its nice to dream
 
Andy 442 obviously knows a thing or two about the people he is looking for and I agree with the points he makes about CVs. I have been in the industry for 7 years now and have worked many other jobs in those years due to the "Feast or Famine" nature of this work. The point is if the employer wants to know what I have been doing in the quiet time then they can call me or ask me at the interview stage. CV's must be keeped relevant to the job advertised and have a plain and simple layout. Also I know the job so no need to try and brag about what you did. I received a CV once from a guy that stated that he did close protection at a festival and his duties were walking the client ( and named him/them ) to and from the stage, guarding the green room and bla bla bla so on and so forth, I get it, I know the job. CP / event security- Music industry VIP - Company plus date, thats it next role please.
The point about the picture is again an interesting one.The answer is, a picture should always put you in a better position for the job, if you have the right look for that role that is. Sounds like a catch 22 well it is but the simple truth is that some clients want you to look a certain way. White, healthy looking 6" plus physically fit, black big scary looking, any colour, not too tall or too big etc etc it really can be that blatant, racist, sexist or discriminatory but the client wants what the client wants. No picture will only lead to you getting binned on day one because your too short or too young looking. Let the person hiring you know what you look like then if the skills are there they can put you in the right role with the right client. Remember too that there are lots of people out there who have contracts and employ guys that basically have fallen lucky and still don't know what they are talking about "A picture on a CV can make you look vain"?? please have a word!!
It seems quite clear on here if you don't have the skills don't apply. If your thinking about " getting into this line of work" well think long and hard. It can be mind numbingly boring, very feast or famine, so be prepared to be skint like signing on skint till the next job comes in and ready for the inevitable arguments with the misses about not having any money and getting a proper job!!!
If you don't have a military background then a £799 close protection course is not going to do you much good, if its under £2500 then its probably a waste of time and money. The SIA and cheap courses now means that this industry is flooded with badged people, hundreds of ex mil guys use their re settlement money each year to get theirs and they still struggle to get work on the circuit, it really is who you know. If you don't know someone in the industry or have not spent money on a course with some clout behind it do you really think you are going to get picked over the guys that do and have?
These points can sounds as harsh as you like but thats the job, its not for everyone and not an easy life!!!!!
 
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I'd compile a list and of names and numbers and sell it to those annoying telemarketing companies, let them get mithered for a bit by morons with nothing better to do with their time.... lets them know how it feels and you might make back a few quid to compensate you for your wasted time.

In the real world you couldn't do it, Data Protection etc but its nice to dream
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Many folks store the names, contact numbers and emails to filter out on there servers and then pass the list around to other recruiters, directors and owners.

In the last ten years I have a little more than 40,000 entry's I have gathered, collected, added or traded for. These people just get black listed, it is not much but knowing that you will never work with them is good enough for me. If they work for one of my competitors, then even better for the other vendors come bid time.

It is very simple things like applying for a female roll when you are a male or being something like applying for a DOD position that requires a person to hold TS/SCI or at least SCI eligible that will get a name one the list.
 
I guess trawling through all those CVs can be a bit tedious but you've got to laugh when blokes are applying for a female's job.
I get some cracking CVs on my desk but the truth is most of the time I have found that they are not worth the paper they are written on, because People lie through their teeth.
I once had a Cv from a guy I used to work with, he knew I knew him and yet he still tried to say he had had a Police Firearms course and was CP trained. I knew bloody well he failed his Firearms course and had never even done a CP course, and he knew I knew!!
I have become pretty good at reading between the lines too, quite often its about what they don't say rather than what they do say, but a real give away is spelling and grammar, FFS there is a spelling and grammar checker on every PC these days!! No matter how poor your education you can look good on paper, if you bother your arse to try.
But if you really can't decide if they are mature and sensible enough, a real giveaway is their email address. I had a really serious CV from a guy that sounded quite mature and sensible, then I saw his email address, it was something like Kungfudragonslayer@gmail.com
I had to nail down the windows and barricade the doors to try and stop his credibility from escaping but it was no use, it was completely gone.....

As for photos, I agree that it is useful to see what they look like (sadly I'm not photogenic) but the only way to really eliminate the phoneys is to meet them face to face. They'll always tell you exactly what they think you want to hear but say something to wind them up and you will see their true character. The knack is finding out what touches a nerve.
 
Oasis said:
I guess trawling through all those CVs can be a bit tedious but you've got to laugh when blokes are applying for a female's job.
I get some cracking CVs on my desk but the truth is most of the time I have found that they are not worth the paper they are written on, because People lie through their teeth.
I once had a Cv from a guy I used to work with, he knew I knew him and yet he still tried to say he had had a Police Firearms course and was CP trained. I knew bloody well he failed his Firearms course and had never even done a CP course, and he knew I knew!!
I have become pretty good at reading between the lines too, quite often its about what they don't say rather than what they do say, but a real give away is spelling and grammar, FFS there is a spelling and grammar checker on every PC these days!! No matter how poor your education you can look good on paper, if you bother your arse to try.
But if you really can't decide if they are mature and sensible enough, a real giveaway is their email address. I had a really serious CV from a guy that sounded quite mature and sensible, then I saw his email address, it was something like Kungfudragonslayer@gmail.com
I had to nail down the windows and barricade the doors to try and stop his credibility from escaping but it was no use, it was completely gone.....

As for photos, I agree that it is useful to see what they look like (sadly I'm not photogenic) but the only way to really eliminate the phoneys is to meet them face to face. They'll always tell you exactly what they think you want to hear but say something to wind them up and you will see their true character. The knack is finding out what touches a nerve.
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Could be cause for a new thread but I have seen: joebuletproof@.....com at least you would save money on Kevlar hiring that guy lol
 
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Andy442 said:
You try to help others out and essentially get called Billy no mates.
Maybe I shouldn't post the next round of vacancies.
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Andy, I have no idea mate how long you have been in recruiting, commerciality or business but surely by now you guys should have worked out a way of how to access file 13, very quickly! you seem very upset by this whole issue... In the old days of course it was easy... Hand written addresses, Brown envelopes, second class stamps etc etc.

Electronically of course one would need to employ, engage in or deploy a system where one can within seconds hit the delete button on the computer whether they are female, Male or invertebrates...

Personally, in the past I have been a little more tolerant because I look on the positive side of ALL contact and just sometimes tucked away in the pile of the file 13 applicants there was always a little 'Gem' suitable for the next job...

Just a thought...

CD
 
Andy

I have some sympathy with you, every May I get calls from TLs saying can you recommend a female, by May the decent girlies are all employed on jobs. In the past month a new course must have finished as I have received CVs from5 females all saying gis a job, will I? No,because I dont know them and until I can put them on an RST and see if they are any good I would not recommend them.
The point I am trying to make is, there are a lot of CP badge holders and just because we have a shortage of females it does not mean we should give jobs to any that apply, they can be as bad as some of the guys that are out there.

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