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James9

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Watching the news this morning and see that Syria is getting worse by the day, only a matter of time before intervention is needed from the outside world, the place is in turmoil, déjà vu with Iraq and the early days. I don't think we can stand on the sidelines for much longer, if anything it is a morality issue with the amount of killings and other atrocities that have happened.

Syria also has oil and plenty of other exportable minerals e.t.c...........stand too the PMSC's, it's only a matter of time once the presidential elections are out the way and unpopular decisions can then be made without the fear of losing votes.
 
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Thousands of people are dying at the hands of their own president, Assad. He is killing his own people. He is bombing his own country destroying buildings etc which will take years to make good. It is interesting that someone should show some humanitarian care for the Syrian people. There maybe spin-offs for our trade but its the people who are paying the price.

If the Russians and Chinese were not in opposition to the West's protests then 'we' may very well be in I think. I myself do my own little protest. I do not buy anything Chinese, for what its worth!
 
Just be realistic : Syria isn't Afghanistan on Iraq and we wouldn't see any mil intervention there soon. This thing is much more complicated than Afghanistan or Iraq.It isn't just Russia or China,Iran is there also and Israel will be involved..Oh not to forget Iraq also. When it's gonna start it will be WW III!

DEUS VULT!
 
Good points! The world's policeman, the Americans, do have the military ability to take on Assad in much the same way as the way Libya was taken. Should we, can we, just stand by and watch so many innocent men, women and children die for the sake of one man?
 
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i think the west should stay away from it we help them and help them only for them to turn around and bite us in the arse,

not anything should be about the money how much did the UK spend on the bombing runs in libya will the UK ever get that cash back for helping them out NO

our country needs every pennie we have to help our citizens

they started it let them finish it
 
Looking at the bigger picture I think the big issue of point will be the Egyptians ending the peace treaty with Israel. Today the Muslim Brotherhood stated that they are not friends with the American's. Of the US military budget 25% goes to Egypt. The Egyptians have been in contact with Germany to buy submarines. In my opinion the American's should stop the aid once the peace treaty is broken. The Muslim Brotherhood has done nothing but lie since the "Arab Spring" started in Egypt. They said that they would not seek a position in government. Then all of a sudden they became the president. So they are not to be trusted.

Back to Syria. Iran has a big influence in Syria and always have. Then you add to that the Russian's and the Chinese. Both of whom are blocking any actions against Syria. They of course have a vested interest in what happens in Syria. At the end of the day it will come down to the American's and maybe another ally to take action against Syria without going to UN. Which I doubt. Especially given that this is election year in the USA.

Also depends of Israel decides to halt the Iranian nuclear program. Which President Obama seems reluctant to do. The Iranians know how to jerk the Americans chain.

The whole region is in turmoil at the moment.

Tapmaster
 
BearUK said:
There'll be no military intervention in Syria, stop salivating walters!
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I am no walter and I am not salivating. I am concerned for the innocent men women and children who are dying on a daily basis in Syria. In this century you would think that the world has learned from history but no, there are always those who wish to kill for their own 'remit'. If you think I am salivating over dead people BearUk you are so wrong.
 
Look how many peace flotilla's have been sent. Look how many UN resolutions condemning.

What utter hypocrisy from both the Arab and Western world.

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Des said:
I am no walter and I am not salivating. I am concerned for the innocent men women and children who are dying on a daily basis in Syria. In this century you would think that the world has learned from history but no, there are always those who wish to kill for their own 'remit'. If you think I am salivating over dead people BearUk you are so wrong.
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Hm,this "concern" is very very interesting to me...Why?Cause it makes me wonder where this "concern" was back in years for many different countries worldwide..So please don't play this "concern" game...This is much more complicated as "concern" : politically, geostrategically,,tactically etc. Just think a bit about it..

DEUS VULT!
 
fidelis2007 said:
Hm,this "concern" is very very interesting to me...Why?Cause it makes me wonder where this "concern" was back in years for many different countries worldwide..So please don't play this "concern" game...This is much more complicated as "concern" : politically, geostrategically,,tactically etc. Just think a bit about it..

DEUS VULT!
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Please note fedelis, when I said 'concern' I was speaking for myself. I cannot solve the world's problems now or in the past. Without thinking about what lies ahead, do you show any compassion for the slaughter of the innocents...... no matter where in this world? My 'concern' is my feelings for innocent people.
 
Des said:
Please note fedelis, when I said 'concern' I was speaking for myself. I cannot solve the world's problems now or in the past. Without thinking about what lies ahead, do you show any compassion for the slaughter of the innocents...... no matter where in this world? My 'concern' is my feelings for innocent people.
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Hi DES,
I understand your point of view but I have to say, there are not only "innocents" within the ranks of the rebels.

I been in Syria in 1986 and 1989 for 18 months, so, I know a bit the country and their people, even it's was nearly 25 years ago.
The regime was certainly not the best example of a correct government which respect the human rights but was one of the "best and stable" governments within the near east, if you know what I mean.
Of course, Bachar al Assad is a fkg dictatur, but show to me a country over there where are not dictator's, even they make their "revolution", throw a eye to Tunisia, Libya or Egypt, nothing is going better, you think really they are free? In each village, you can see either "defending group", but in reality, they work only for them self without any consideration for the real problems of the people!

Don't understand me wrong, I'm not defending Bachar al Assad but if the regime lost the civil war, be sure the Hezbollah and other radical fondamental group's would take the power over Syria than quicker you believe yet.
Nobody talk really about this within the TV or newspapers, but, believe me, the real "defenders of freedom" (it's big word...), the intellectuals will have a lot of troubles when the rebels win!
By the way, Saudi Arabia and Iran plays a huge role in this conflict seems as the Hezbollah...personally, I don't think they are really interested about freedom...

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The big issue of people being killed is a shame on humanity. It happens every few years and for some reason it is allowed to go on until thousands of people being killed. Keep in mind they (Syrians) are killing each other. Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, uncles, aunt, cousin killing each other. This is the sad part. Yet they kill the US ambassador over a damn film that was never shown. Where is the outrage? Where are the people who are outraged about this? In Pakistan? Libya? Iraq? Iran? Where is the Arab League? This is the real issue we are missing. they protest over drone attacks, burn American flags, burn statues of President Obama over a film. So when it's real life and not emotional they have no answer for it. This is the shocking part for me.

the west will not intervene. The Americans have no interest in Syria. If they had they would have brought it to an end by now. No work in Syria I am afraid. At the same time Palestine is rotting in the stinch and would not be liveable in the next 30 years. Again, there is no interest for anyone to get involved.

It's a complex issue the middle east. Then you throw the Iranians (who are Persians by the way) in and you have a mess.

Tapmaster
 
QUOTE ...........stand too the PMSC's

I wouldn't hold your breath if you are imagining another Iraq for security companies (ever) and hordes of armed 'security consultants' wandering over Syria, or anywhere else for that matter.
 
Des said:
Please note fedelis, when I said 'concern' I was speaking for myself. I cannot solve the world's problems now or in the past. Without thinking about what lies ahead, do you show any compassion for the slaughter of the innocents...... no matter where in this world? My 'concern' is my feelings for innocent people.
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what about the innocent people back in the UK father less children wives and familys that are touched by the deaths of our heros sorting out their problems

its about time we cared more for us and our own and let them get on with it

ed
 
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Ed it's right it's time to let them alone. We can not understand the arabic thought. They use religion for political reasons and if they stop fighting each other then they have a common enemy. Some days ago a new video was on youtube showing an muslim cleric tearing the Bible in frond of a delirious audience. I haven't see any riots or burned embassies anywhere in the western world.
 
thats because we in the west are tolerant and civilized and can respect other peoples views


cheers ed
 
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